在越南時間4/22晚上21點19分26秒
我的紛絲專頁#李鼎的也不賴
突然出現了這張黑色的截圖
截圖來自我最新的作品「我在台61」電影版的最後一張劇情
那是整部片到最後所有主創人員名單出來前的最後一個畫面
應該所有作品最後一個畫面
都是極為重要的
而「我在台61」卻是選了三個字最為結束
叫做「路上見」
並用了三位主角:李亦捷、楊鎮、福地祐介的聲音詮釋
而這個來自越南的讀者的截圖留話
竟是把這句話的翻譯
圈了起來
給了一的大問號
並寫了「MEET」
這樣的截圖
好像看到小學作業老師對於你的作業不滿意
而做的舉動
面對電影最後一個畫面被人截圖
然後用了小學老師批改作業的方式
留在你公開的粉絲專頁
換成是你
你會怎麼想?
我有點高興
因為
我一直知道自己跟自己創作的團隊在做什麼
所以有一種
拍片拍了這麼久
終於有人
會對我們英文翻譯的團隊
提出想法了
而且來自越南
(原來現在連越南都看得到這部電影了)
於是我立刻去電美國給我們這部電影的翻譯
他當然也第一時間看了這位來自越南女士的臉書帳號
確定不是傳說中的「網軍」
於是
翻譯朱倩儀小姐
就用中英文
一起回應了這位來自越南的阮女士
關於「ME」與「meet」
在這部作品裡的概念
分享朱倩儀小姐的留言
也很樂見
最後這位阮女士
在留言板上的回應
==========================
親愛的阮女士,
謝謝您的指教!我萬分感謝您觀賞這部電影,而且給予我們您寶貴的意見。
您建議在劇終「我們 路上見」(Let’s Me Again, on the road.) 應該是(Let’s Meet again, on the road)。您的建議在標準文法完全是正確的。但可以容許我為您解釋一下最終導演仍採用了我們使用「me」的想法嗎?
語言本就是一多層次的表達工具。中文尤其美麗,尤其一個簡單的用字可以有好多不同的心思。
在接到這份翻譯的殊榮時,我是既興奮又緊張的。李鼎導演的詩意作家特質,及對角色,故事的詮釋,描寫及張力,絶對不是平舖直敘就能感受到他的初衷,他的溫度。所以,明知冒險,我還是選擇做了大膽的嘗試。我和團隊(二位ABC) 經由彼此對各自語言及文化的了解,試著把李亦捷,Ray (楊鎮)及福地佑介的個性,藉由使用語言的個性,帶入他們的對話裏。
因著「台61」而讓他們三位相遇,也延伸了之後的故事。在從最初Ray 安靜的推著重機不願打擾到海鳥的開始,第一個「me」就出現了,然後是亦捷⋯所以。
在最後,當三個人,開心但不捨地以咖啡乾杯後的分道揚鑣, 許下再見面的心願時,這是李鼎導演在影片中第二次使用「路上見」(第一次在福地祐介留給李亦捷的紙條中)(第一次我們翻譯使用的是:See you on the Road),而當第二次再度使用「路上見」並用在片尾,使用三位角色的聲音,我們覺得意義非凡,不再來自於See you on the Road的想像,決定讓中文中的詩意,翻成Let’s Me again, on the road.這讓三個角色心中無論是吶喊,低訴或是緯緯道來,我想,都是由她/他的心「me!」「 Let’s Me...」讓我,在路上再次遇見你。
很感謝李鼎導演給了我和團隊這樣美好第一次翻譯的經驗,我仍有許多需要進步的空間,也期望因著這部「我在台61」, 我們都因此有共享的公路,感動及連結。
再次謝謝你也觀賞「我在台61」,所以我們相遇,聽到彼此的聲音。
Dear Ms. Nguyễn
Thank you so much for the comments. I am so grateful that you watched the movie and given valuable comments. Please allow me to explain the usage of “me” here ( I am responsible to translate the scripts.)
Yes, you are absolutely right on the “ Let’s MEET” again!” in most of the circumstances. But I am humbling to say that my purpose of translating the word “meet” to “me” is trying to emphasis on the willingness of “coming back on the road again” from three individual main characters. They are all cheering up for their fate to be together because of Highway 61. So I thought they would shout out loud from their hearts to say “let’s me again, on the road!” to echo the director Lee’s poetic style.
Like every language, it’s never easy to complete portrait the whole story from one to another. A simple word could have few different meaning in the culture. It’s truly my pleasure had the opportunity to translate the Chinese( or Taiwanese) story to English. There are so many beautiful words and touching moments that just can’t change words to words. And each characters has her/his personality and tones. Therefore, I try to adopt the heart of story with the understanding of English that I think it would sound most authentic for each characters. This has been an amazing experience to me, walking along with director Lee to see my country and helping to deliver the landscape, the sea breeze, the birds, the temple...and the Highway 61 to you in different language.
Thank you again for the heart of going through the Highway 61 journey with us, and share your thoughts!
Btw, it’s very nice meeting you here. Could I assume you may from Vietnam? My husband is also from Vietnam and we live in Colorado now.
Regards,
Chien Yi 朱倩儀 (Chienyi Luu)
#我在台61
#發現動人的翻譯故事
#很喜歡這樣的創作互動
#也為這部作品的每一個人感到驕傲與開心
#語言很奇妙
#中文尤為奇妙
#這部片的日文也是一種很神奇的遭遇
「我在台61」中英文電影版傳送門
https://youtu.be/uhPTvLBNRo0
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最近這件事鬧的沸沸揚揚 也上了新聞 在留言上發現自己考試的影片有被po上去 增加一些曝光率這樣 哈XD
但對於此事件 我就不公開多表態什麼了 只希望一切能以理性與和平的方式去解決 我們大家都是文明人 都要努力讓這個世界變得更美好
謝謝大家關注這個議題,我剛剛把評審的照片拿掉了,原因是我希望大家不要將這位評審當成壞人,而也我們把焦點專注在這個事件上,而不是人身上,我們才能真正長期的改善這個問題.因為我不會中文,所以我會和我的夥伴們一起再產出一篇更詳盡完整的中文文章,屆時也煩請大家一同關注,讓台灣的藝術環境更好,最好也謝謝幫我翻譯以下文章的朋友,我非常訝異這篇造成的影響力,感謝你們!
I CAUSED A SCENE TODAY IN THE PUBLIC
Today I got very angry and upset for the first time in public in front of a crowd.
What started out as a nice day, I thought it would only get better by attending the street performance artist's exam in Taipei. Everything seemed nice when I saw the performers were all prepared in their provided locations around the Sun Yat Sen Memorial Hall. But after I saw the head of the judge panel treated the street performers while performing, I couldn't keep my mouth shut.
Let me explained: each performer had to pay to register for the license exam. They were given 3 minutes to present their work(s) hoping they'd get a lisence so they can earn some sort of living from their passion. This one particular judge (pictured) leading the group seems impatiently listen and watch the street performers. It barely hit the one minute mark, he aggressively cut into the song of a singer and told the performer "many singers sing in different languages like English etc, sing in another language!"(I paraphrased with my bad Chinese translation). Then the singer started singing in Taiwanese language. But barely two sentences, he talked to another judge barely paying attention to the performer this head judge basically just left and gestured to the rest of the group to follow him.
The singer sang barely a minute and a half (they were promised 3 mins and they kept being interrupted by this judge). Bare in mind, this judge is earning a wage while these hopeful performers were paying him to be there. He basically did the same thing over and over again disregarding the artist's intent and hard work. Not a single word of appreciation. He just acted as he was a big boss looking down on these petty performers. He chatted as he wished and walked away without saying a "thank you" or a gesture of acknowledgement. A percussionist kept being interrupted asking him to do something different. Then he just left after the third time. The rest of the judges just followed.
So, i approached him politely asking for his name and his business card. I told him I wanted to talk to him one on one in the future. Degradingly he asked me who I was. I could see in his eyes that he saw a young man who looked like a student to him. But I was not and am not. I am a 40 year old dance artist, filmmaker and educator that have taught around the globe and in many prestigious colleges and festivals.
He didn't want to give me his business card. He seemed annoyed and surprised that someone spoke up. So I said I can give him my contact info but we needed to talk on how the exam went.
The way Taipei city exams the performers today was both disrespectful and insulting to the arts community in general. I didn't want to say this all out. But he left me with no choice.
I told him, for one, the way he treated the performers was disrespectful. As an educator I could not be quiet when I see something like that. Second, the process of the exam is not doing the art community any justice. If he cannot see the artists as a human being first, then what does it say about his view on the Arts. I could see him pissed off. But again he left me with no choice. He was very degrading towards these performers. As an artist myself and an art advocate I had to do something.
The organizer apologized to me said the process needed to go on. I told him I wasn't trying to stop them. I merely want to know how I could get in touch with them to discuss this. If you know me well enough, you should know my temperament. I am a happy go lucky person. I almost never get angry in the public. But it was genuinely insulting and degrading to every artists based on what I saw today.
This arrogant judge didn't care of my opinion. I could see it in his eyes. He was basically the superior in his world and his way was the right way. That's how he had always done it. All the young staffers there were afraid of him. Today he was disrespectful, rude, and arrogant. I really want to know why he does what he does.
After the incident, a few people came up and thanked me for speaking up. They felt the same way but they didn't have the courage to say it to this judge or the organization that issues these licenses. One organizer from the New Taipei City said even she felt bad seeing how the performers being treated.
I don't understand why people don't stand up for each other. The Taipei City has failed their community and even more so to their arts community.
For an organization that is supposed to advocate for the arts, culture and authenticity, they did miserably today. It is like giving an exam to a dog, a cat, a bird and a monkey then telling them that their exam is climbing a tree. It's absolutely ridiculous.
I left them my contact information. They said they will contact me. If they don't, this could be an interesting subject for my next film project. A documentary on how these hopeful, aspiring performers being treated.
I am mad and I am angry. I really hope they will change their shallow way of seeing Arts.
P.S. Share or repost in Chinese. They need to change. Thanks.
台北國際藝術村-寶藏巖 Taipei Artist Village-Treasure Hill
Taipei National University of the Arts
臺北表演藝術中心 Taipei Performing Arts Center
National Theater and Concert Hall, Taipei
中正紀念堂 Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall
National Taiwan University of Arts
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【時事分享】
關於台灣街頭藝人的生態
原文為已在世界各地巡迴過的舞蹈家/導演/教育工作者所著
分享者為台灣極少數進入太陽馬戲團表演過的 陳星合(目前正在推動當代馬戲、新藝術表演發展的重要推手)
今天,小編不希望從新聞等第二手消息來源分享,相反的,把當事人最直接的反應和感受緣由呈現給大家
進入正題
首先小編必須很遺憾的說
台灣的藝術生態真的相較歐美國家還要落後許多。不僅發展時間短、投入經費少、人力匱乏、且大眾認知普遍不足,甚至,培育"藝術相關人才"的體系,除了相關院校有較為完整的配套,基礎上都是破碎的。要超英趕美,同志尚待努力,也許還要幾百年的時間。
回到街頭藝人為什麼會被這樣對待?
這是政府重視街頭文化程度的問題。
可以這樣說的原因是:
1. 沒有足夠的經費、人力去安排街頭藝人考試。
場地租金算天數的(而且很貴),工作人員算時薪的。活動廠商沒有資源去安排一個為期足夠長的寬裕時間讓街頭藝人考試。也就是說,政府沒有想要投入更多的錢,反而是招標找最便宜的廠商解決活動。
如此一來,在時間十分緊湊的狀態下,要評審一天之內評審數百位街頭藝人,評審的品質如何維護?有時甚至會陷入如公車司機的窘境:delay趕場。我沒辦法聽你唱完,只能大概看一下就得評了。你還會什麼?趕快表演給我看,不然我就下分數了哦。
2. 評審的來源和資格一直都是爭議。
街頭表演五花八門,卻是少數幾種類別的表演人(甚至不是表演者)來評。
沒有相關背景的人來評分其實不是問題,畢竟街頭表演就是在街頭上表演的,也就是面對一般民眾。並不是開演唱會、音樂會、或者要進國家戲劇院演出的。
難的是:評審到底知不知道技巧難度與否?注意事項有哪些?也許評審不會做,但他必須看得出來,並有大致的概念。
政府要怎麼找到這些視野足夠寬廣且有公信力的人?
現在台灣政府普遍和藝術界還是有點代溝,因為這是一個很難看到成效的投入,你沒辦法用數字說人民的藝術氣息提升了十分。再者,會聯繫上政府的,只有出國成名回來,或者長期接案與政府合作者。
也許有人會說:街頭藝人不就是要在很短的時間內獲取觀眾的注意力嗎?
是的,在不同場合有各自適合的表演模式。不適合的,自然會被市場淘汰。
但,難道所有的表演藝術都"應該怎麼樣"嗎?
有些表演就是需要時間醞釀,有些表演需要足夠空間揮灑,有些表演需要觀眾安靜的看,他們都可能成為使社會藝術成份提高的一分子,可能是獨特的藝術文化起源。
如果是街頭藝人,又規定你的表演一定要短時間(一分鐘誇張的短)怎麼樣,這絕非一個可以助長各種多元藝術成長的環境。
雖還不能自稱藝術家,但小編希望這些訊息能夠讓大家更了解關於街頭藝人、關於台灣藝術生態的一小部分。
甚至,我們應該要有所行動。
對於社會的不公不義站出來,以各種合法的形式付諸行動,這是公民的權利與義務。
為的,是攜手讓社會更加美好。
因為我們,就在這裡。
By 蝶編
感謝黃翊 (Yi Huang)的中文翻譯。
『街頭藝人遴選制度需要被關心。
今日令我感到震驚的一幕
今天是我第一次在公眾場合、眾人面前表達我的憤怒與失望。
這一切開始於美好的一日,我以為這天只會因為參觀台北街頭藝術家徵選而更美好。當我看到所有的表演者們都在散佈於中正紀念堂各地的徵選位置準備時,一切都看起來完美極了。但在我看到評審團首席如何對待這些奮力演出的街頭表演者時,我無法對這一切保持沈默。
先讓我說明,每位表演者都必須支付報名費參加街頭藝人的徵選。徵選時他們獲得3分鐘的時間來呈現他們的表演,希望透過徵選獲得街頭藝人證,所以他們可以有機會透過他們熱愛的事物(表演)賺取收入。照片中的這位評審,帶領著一組看起來對觀看或聆聽街頭藝人的表演完全不耐煩的評審團。演出大約進行一分鐘時,他暫停了歌手的演唱,並對歌手說:許多歌手能唱不同語言的歌,像是英文,唱另一種語言!隨後歌手唱了一首台語歌,但大約唱了2句,他就和另一位評審交談,並不在意歌手的表現,這位評審團的主席就離開了,並招手要其他評審跟著他。
這位歌手只唱了不到一分半鐘(他們規定為3分鐘,而且這位評審中途不斷地打斷),請記得,這位評審的出席費是由這些充滿的期待的表演者們支付的,過程中他不斷的踐踏這些藝術家的熱情與努力。沒有任何一個正面的字眼,他的行為就像他是這裡的大老闆,高高在上的看著這些卑微的表演者們。他隨意地與他人閒談以及離席,從未有任何言語或動作上給予任何人肯定。一位擊樂演奏者的呈現被打斷,並被要求演奏不同的內容,第三次時他就離席了,而其他評審就跟著他這麼做。
所以,我禮貌的接近他,詢問他的姓名以及希望索取他的名片。我告訴他我希望未來能與他對談。他鄙視的問我是誰?他用看待一位學生的眼神看著我,但我並不是。我是一位已40歲,並曾於世界各地的大學與藝術節工作的的舞蹈、電影、和教育工作者。
他不想給我他的名片,他看起來很不耐且驚訝有人對此表達意見。所以我說我可以給他我的聯絡資訊,但我們必須對徵選方式做討論。
今天台北市徵選街頭表演者的方式是對整體的藝術工作者與環境的不尊重與侮辱,我不想否定這一切,但他讓我無從選擇。
我和他說,第一點,他對待表演者的方式過於失禮。身為一位教育者,我無法對我所見的保持沈默。
第二點,評選的流程對藝術領域來說並不公正,若他不能尊重藝術家,那他對藝術的觀點又是什麼?我可以看出他對我的發言嗤之以鼻。但他的行為使我無從選擇。他嚴重踐踏這些表演者,我自己身為藝術家與藝術支持者,我必須要做點什麼。
承辦人對我表示道歉,並說程序必須要繼續下去。我和他說我並沒有意思要停止他們,我僅不過是想知道我該怎麼與他們取得聯繫,討論這件事情。如果你對我有足夠的了解,會知道我的個性,我是一個隨遇而安,很好相處的人。我幾乎未曾在公眾場合發過脾氣。但今日他們對在場所有藝術家做的一切,是真正的污辱與踐踏。
我可以從這位傲慢的評審眼裡看得出,他並不在意我的意見。他認為他是權威,而且他的做法是對的,他也總是這麼做。所有的年輕職員總是畏懼他。今天他的無禮、粗暴、傲慢,使我非常想了解他為何這麼做。
事後,幾個人前來感謝我站出來發聲,表示他們也有同感但沒有勇氣對評審、主辦單位反應這些評議、授權機制的問題。其中一位台北縣政府承辦人說,她也對藝術家被對待的方式感到難過。
我不懂為什麼人們不為彼此挺身而出。台北市的社會已經失去它的功能,在藝術領域更是嚴重。
身為一個理應支持與保護藝術的機構,不論在文化或專業上,今天他們都完全失格。這一切看起來像是一個考一條狗、一隻貓、一隻鳥和一尾魚去爬樹一樣的荒謬。
我留給了他們我的聯絡資訊,他們說他們會聯絡我,如果他們沒這麼做,這可以是我下一部電影的標題《一部關於那些帶著希望與期待的表演者被如何對待的紀錄片》。
我非常的憤怒,我真的希望能夠改變他們對藝術膚淺的觀點。
翻譯William Lu文章』
謝謝大家關注這個議題,我剛剛把評審的照片拿掉了,原因是我希望大家不要將這位評審當成壞人,而也我們把焦點專注在這個事件上,而不是人身上,我們才能真正長期的改善這個問題.因為我不會中文,所以我會和我的夥伴們一起再產出一篇更詳盡完整的中文文章,屆時也煩請大家一同關注,讓台灣的藝術環境更好,最好也謝謝幫我翻譯以下文章的朋友,我非常訝異這篇造成的影響力,感謝你們!
I CAUSED A SCENE TODAY IN THE PUBLIC
Today I got very angry and upset for the first time in public in front of a crowd.
What started out as a nice day, I thought it would only get better by attending the street performance artist's exam in Taipei. Everything seemed nice when I saw the performers were all prepared in their provided locations around the Sun Yat Sen Memorial Hall. But after I saw the head of the judge panel treated the street performers while performing, I couldn't keep my mouth shut.
Let me explained: each performer had to pay to register for the license exam. They were given 3 minutes to present their work(s) hoping they'd get a lisence so they can earn some sort of living from their passion. This one particular judge (pictured) leading the group seems impatiently listen and watch the street performers. It barely hit the one minute mark, he aggressively cut into the song of a singer and told the performer "many singers sing in different languages like English etc, sing in another language!"(I paraphrased with my bad Chinese translation). Then the singer started singing in Taiwanese language. But barely two sentences, he talked to another judge barely paying attention to the performer this head judge basically just left and gestured to the rest of the group to follow him.
The singer sang barely a minute and a half (they were promised 3 mins and they kept being interrupted by this judge). Bare in mind, this judge is earning a wage while these hopeful performers were paying him to be there. He basically did the same thing over and over again disregarding the artist's intent and hard work. Not a single word of appreciation. He just acted as he was a big boss looking down on these petty performers. He chatted as he wished and walked away without saying a "thank you" or a gesture of acknowledgement. A percussionist kept being interrupted asking him to do something different. Then he just left after the third time. The rest of the judges just followed.
So, i approached him politely asking for his name and his business card. I told him I wanted to talk to him one on one in the future. Degradingly he asked me who I was. I could see in his eyes that he saw a young man who looked like a student to him. But I was not and am not. I am a 40 year old dance artist, filmmaker and educator that have taught around the globe and in many prestigious colleges and festivals.
He didn't want to give me his business card. He seemed annoyed and surprised that someone spoke up. So I said I can give him my contact info but we needed to talk on how the exam went.
The way Taipei city exams the performers today was both disrespectful and insulting to the arts community in general. I didn't want to say this all out. But he left me with no choice.
I told him, for one, the way he treated the performers was disrespectful. As an educator I could not be quiet when I see something like that. Second, the process of the exam is not doing the art community any justice. If he cannot see the artists as a human being first, then what does it say about his view on the Arts. I could see him pissed off. But again he left me with no choice. He was very degrading towards these performers. As an artist myself and an art advocate I had to do something.
The organizer apologized to me said the process needed to go on. I told him I wasn't trying to stop them. I merely want to know how I could get in touch with them to discuss this. If you know me well enough, you should know my temperament. I am a happy go lucky person. I almost never get angry in the public. But it was genuinely insulting and degrading to every artists based on what I saw today.
This arrogant judge didn't care of my opinion. I could see it in his eyes. He was basically the superior in his world and his way was the right way. That's how he had always done it. All the young staffers there were afraid of him. Today he was disrespectful, rude, and arrogant. I really want to know why he does what he does.
After the incident, a few people came up and thanked me for speaking up. They felt the same way but they didn't have the courage to say it to this judge or the organization that issues these licenses. One organizer from the New Taipei City said even she felt bad seeing how the performers being treated.
I don't understand why people don't stand up for each other. The Taipei City has failed their community and even more so to their arts community.
For an organization that is supposed to advocate for the arts, culture and authenticity, they did miserably today. It is like giving an exam to a dog, a cat, a bird and a monkey then telling them that their exam is climbing a tree. It's absolutely ridiculous.
I left them my contact information. They said they will contact me. If they don't, this could be an interesting subject for my next film project. A documentary on how these hopeful, aspiring performers being treated.
I am mad and I am angry. I really hope they will change their shallow way of seeing Arts.
P.S. Share or repost in Chinese. They need to change. Thanks.
台北國際藝術村-寶藏巖 Taipei Artist Village-Treasure Hill
Taipei National University of the Arts
臺北表演藝術中心 Taipei Performing Arts Center
National Theater and Concert Hall, Taipei
中正紀念堂 Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall
National Taiwan University of Arts
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