both of them used Larry Brown and Greg Popovich:
2003:
2003 FIBA Americas Olympic Qualifying Team Roster
NAME POS HGT WGT AGE AFFILIATION/SCHOOL
Ray Allen G 6-5 205 28 Seattle SuperSonics / Connecticut '96
Mike Bibby G 6-1 190 25 Sacramento Kings / Arizona '98
Elton Brand F 6-8 265 24 Los Angeles Clippers / Duke '99
Vince Carter G/F 6-6 225 26 Toronto Raptors / North Carolina '98
Nick Collison F/C 6-9 250 23 Seattle SuperSonics/Kansas '03
Tim Duncan C 6-11 248 27 San Antonio Spurs/ Wake Forest '97
Allen Iverson G 6-0 165 28 Philadelphia 76ers / Georgetown '96
Richard Jefferson F 6-7 222 23 New Jersey Nets / arizona '01
Jason Kidd G 6- 4 212 30 New Jersey Nets / California '94
Kenyon Martin F 6-9 234 25 New Jersey Nets / Cincinnati '00
Tracy McGrady G 6-8 210 24 Orlando magic / Mount zion Christian Academy '97
Jermaine O'Neal F/C 6-11 242 24 Indiana Pacers / Eau Claire H.S. '97
2004 USA Men's Olympic Games Roster
NAME POS HGT WGT AGE AFFILIATION (SCHOOL) HOMETOWN
Carmelo Anthony F 6-8 229 20 Denver Nuggets (Syracuse) Denver, CO
Carlos Boozer F 6-9 258 22 Utah Jazz (Duke) Bratenahl, OH
Tim Duncan C 7-0 248 28 San antonio Spurs (Wake Forest) San Antonio, TX
Allen Iverson G 6-0 165 29 Philadelphia 76ers (Georgetown) Villanova, PA
LeBron James G 6-8 240 19 Cleveland Cavaliers (St. Vincent-St. Mary High School) Cleveland, OH
Richard Jefferson F 6-7 222 24 New Jersey Nets (Arizona) West New York, NJ
Stephon Marbury G 6-2 205 27 New York Knicks (Georgia Tech) Purchase, NY
Shawn Marion F 6-7 215 26 Phoenix Suns (UNLV) Paradise Valley, AZ
Lamar Odom F 6-10 225 24 Los Angeles Lakers (Rhode Island) Miami, FL
Emeka Okafor F 6-10 252 21 Charlotte Bobcats (Connecticut) Houston, TX
Amare Stoudemire F 6-10 245 21 Phoenix Suns (Cypress Creek High School) Phoenix, AZ
Dwyane Wade G 6-4 212 22 Miami Heat (Marquette) Miami, FL
okay TD and Iverson are both on it and you know what they give you. quality minutes and numbers.
the 2003 roster had very good shooters in Ray Allen, Vince Carter, and Mike Bibby. they USA roster also had tremendous ability to break down the zone defense by dribble penetration by Vince Carter, Tmac, and to a lesser extent RJ and Martin.
you also had the unwavering floor general who at the time back in 03 was the consensus #1 PG in the NBA Jason Kidd.
At the time, ELton Brand and Nick Collison were not all stars, but Elton Brand was already playing at a high level and Collison gives you hustle, boards, and blocks.
now look at the 2004 roster:
Stephon Marbury?
Emeka Okafor? unproven college big man wiht a bad back?
Carlos Boozer?
the current tri captains were very talented in their first year and LB may not have used them enough, but you have to understand that these three players have since grown incredibly in the two years since the 04 debacle.
Marion and Stoudemire are the solid wing players on the Suns tema.. which at the time had not began playing with steve nash yet.. but they are so dynamic that they had trouble adjusting to LB's system.
and no shooters? tsk tsk
disregard what the media and ESPN said, the 04 Olympics WAS a B-list roster.
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No longer a one-man show or half of a dynamic duo, AI (17.9 ppg, 5.4 apg) is blending his considerable skills into an ensemble cast that's used to winning big.
"It's always an honor to be named an All-Star and it's a blessing to be in this league," said Iverson, twice the Game's MVP. "Being named an All-Star makes it that much more special. The fact that the fans have voted me onto the team makes this a great honor and it's truly appreciated."
The final results of fan balloting didnt exactly bring any major surprises.
Miamis Dwyane Wade (2,741,413) and Detroits Allen Iverson (1,804,649) will be in the Easts backcourt, alongside reigning All-Star MVP LeBron James of Cleveland (2,940,823) and Bostons Kevin Garnett (2,066,833), who beat New Jerseys Yi Jianlian for the starting nod by 253,004 votes.
The All-Star game is always so meaningful to me because of the fans, said James, whose 24.3-point scoring average is the highest in All-Star game history for players with four or more appearances.
Kobe Bryant of the Los Angeles Lakers (2,805,397) was the Wests top vote-getter, and will be joined at guard by New Orleans Chris Paul (2,134,798). At center, Yao (2,532,958) will start for the sixth time, along with forwards Tim Duncan of San Antonio (2,578,168) and Amare Stoudemire of Phoenix (1,460,429).
When I first heard I was leading in votes, I was shocked, to be honest with you, Howard said. I really didnt expect anything considering you have guys like Kobe, LeBron and Dwyane.
Howard entered Thursday averaging 20.2 points, 14.1 rebounds and 3.2 blocks for the Magic, who took the leagues best overall record (33-8) into a home game against the reigning NBA champion Boston Celtics.
But on the national stage, Howard still might be best-known for his exploits in last years All-Star dunk contest in New Orleans, with his cape sailing on one jam and capping his night by using teammate Jameer Nelson as a prop in another slam.
Thats his element there. Hes an entertainer. He loves it, Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said. I think sometimes people look at that kind of thing, where Dwights out there having a good time, and they doubt the seriousness of a guy. Thats not the case at all. Hes very serious about winning and very serious about being a great player.
Van Gundy likened Howards All-Star antics to what the NBA has come to see from another giant jokester—Shaquille ONeal.
Like Shaq, Dwight is a great person who loves to make other people smile and laugh, Van Gundy said. Thats what really makes him go. He likes to have a good time and he likes to help other people have a good time. Its his nature. Its his character.
That all being said, ONeal is reluctant to anoint Howard as the games, well, next Shaq.
Hes a good player, but everything hes done Ive invented, so Im not impressed, ONeal said. For me to get my eyes wide open about another big man, hell have to do something that I havent seen before or something that I havent invented. Everything that hes done, Ive invented it.
For Garnett, its his 12th All-Star selection—second-most among active players behind ONeals 14 trips. ONeal could see that total increase by one; he could easily be announced as a reserve when coaches balloting to fill out the seven remaining spots on each roster are announced next week.
Its like a good wave, man, Garnett said. If youve surfed the boogie board, you know you ride it til it dies out. And I love boogie boarding. Its all about that good wave and holding on and holding on for dear life. And once its over, you crash and you go out and try to find the next one.
Much like the East, the West voting was a bit predictable.
Stoudemires spot turned out to be the most vulnerable; he nipped San Antonios Bruce Bowen—who isnt even starting for the Spurs right now—in the starters balloting by 68,031 votes.
Plenty of late voting helped shape the West starting five.
The leagues next-to-last voting update, released on Jan. 22, showed Denvers Carmelo Anthony—whos currently sidelined with an injured right hand — ahead of Stoudemire by 10,431 votes, plus Houstons Tracy McGrady leading by a 157,063-vote margin over Paul.
Neither lead held up.
Paul wound up prevailing by nearly a half-million ballots, and Stoudemire took his appeals directly to voters.
Stoudemire launched an Internet campaign—www.vote4Amare.com—and Anthony said Thursday he probably would have given him the spot anyway.
Hes in Phoenix, Anthony, who finished fifth among West forwards behind the starters, Bowen and Houstons Ron Artest, told The Denver Post. Its his All-Star game.
In all, five players (Howard, James, Bryant, Wade and Duncan) all topped Yaos previous record vote mark.
Its always an unbelievable honor, because theres so many great players in this league and so many young guys coming in, when you get named a starter from the fans, Wade said.
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Iverson's 29 help send Spurs to first loss in 11 games
These Denver Nuggets are starting to show they could much more than the first-round fodder they always are in the playoffs.
Now, if they can just make it that far.
Allen Iverson scored 29 points despite spraining his right ring finger in the first half and the Nuggets ended San Antonio's 11-game winning streak, 109-96, on Friday night.
"It's just because our backs are against the wall," Iverson said after Denver's second big win over a nemesis [Phoenix] in 48 hours. "We understand that every night we have to come in here and play hard and play together and not take any possessions off. We know how serious it is in the West, and if we don't get our act together it's going to be a chance we're not going to be in the playoffs.
"And with our roster ... there's no way we shouldn't be in the playoffs."
Can you imagine? With two All-Star starters in Iverson and Carmelo Anthony and the reigning defensive player of the year in Marcus Camby?
The Nuggets sure can't fathom it.
They're off to their best start in 20 years, but even at 37-24, they're on the fringe of the wild Western Conference playoff picture, remaining one game behind Golden State for the eighth spot heading into the final six weeks.
X-rays were negative on Iverson's finger. He was injured when Tony Parker jammed the ball back into his right hand in the first half. Iverson said it was sore and he knew it would bother him Saturday night but doubted it would keep him out of the Nuggets' game against Northwest Division-leading Utah.
Anthony also is listed as probable against the Jazz after bruising his left knee.
He overcame a bad first half (1-for-7 from the floor) to finish with 25 points as the Nuggets won for the 13th time in their last 15 games at the Pepsi Center, which was rocking like it hadn't since Denver faced San Antonio in the playoffs last season.
In overcoming an eight-point halftime deficit with a dominating second half, the Nuggets swept the Spurs at home for the first time since 1988-89. Last month, they beat the Spurs 80-77. This one was more of Denver's preferred style, with lots of running and gunning -- and everybody got into the act.
Eduardo Najera tied his career high with 19 points and fellow reserve J.R. Smith added 15 to spark Denver's second-half surge. Smith's 3-pointer from the top of the key after Najera tipped a rebound to him made it 96-81 with 6 minutes left.
"That might be the best game I've seen Eddie play," said Nuggets coach George Karl, who had plenty of things to smile and brag about on this night.
"The third quarter, the defense was great and never really slacked off," Karl said. "Maybe a couple of times in the fourth quarter when we had a lead and let them have some easy baskets, but a hell of a win."
Manu Ginobili scored 24 points and Tim Duncan added 23 for the Spurs, who fell to 9-4 in the second game of back-to-backs despite arriving in the Mile High City well-rested.
None of them played more than 28 minutes in coasting to a win over Indiana in San Antonio on Thursday night, and coach Gregg Popovich also had a chance to rest his vocal cords -- he was ejected in the second quarter for arguing a no-call against Pacers forward Mike Dunleavy.
San Antonio fell a half game behind the Lakers for the top spot in the West.
"We're not at the same level we were at last year at this time, even though we seem to be situated relatively well in the West," Popovich said. "This team isn't as good as last year's team. We have significant improvement that we have to make both mentally and physically if we're going to be able to contend for the championship."
Game notes
G Chucky Atkins returned to action for Denver after missing 26 games following sports hernia surgery. He didn't score any points in 7 1/2 minutes, missing his only field goal attempt. ... F Nene, who is recovering from testicular cancer and recently underwent chemotherapy, was on the bench in a suit for the first time since undergoing surgery on Jan. 14.
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