[當年今日]爆嘅唔係雷曼,而係LTCM。然後當然係聯儲局救市,股市照升。呢啲先係歷史。
歷史驚人的相似?話你知,恒大嘅前世情人唔係雷曼,比較似嘅係LTCM。雖然都係唔似,但你當恒大係李嘉欣,雷曼係李嘉誠,LTCM係洪欣咁咯,「至少李嘉欣同洪欣都係女人」。
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1. 後生仔應該唔知咩係LTCM,早早叫你睇多啲書(呢本非常好睇),
2. 1998年嘅秋分,就係LTCM,Long term capital management 爆煲之日。本書點解叫When Genius Failed?因為LTCM嘅發起人,Scholes同Merton,正係Genius(另外有個伊朗仔),勁過Genius Bar嘅Genius
3. 有幾Genius?你做金融嘅,如果唔識佢兩個,得罪講句,真係好打有限。Scholes正係Black Scholes model 嗰個Scholes(唔係曼聯嗰個,OK?),期權定價option pricing,CFA Level I都讀。咁Merton乜水?其實係叫 Black–Scholes–Merton model。
4. 有幾Genius?冇,佢兩個拎咗1997年諾貝爾獎之嘛,「冇乜特別」(*).攞獎係因為樓上講嘅嘢,Derivative pricing,有冇話你知我Master讀呢啲?「我本書有講」(**)
5. 你見到嘅係,連諾貝爾獎得主都唔會time the market,都唔會覺得自己識好多嘢。甚至最後都係預測唔到市場嘅凶險。普通人何德何能?
6. 順帶一提,當年幫LTCM封棺材嘅最後一根稻草,係俄羅斯國債違約。
7. 當其時嘅市場常識係:nuclear powers do not default。的確,從來冇核武國國債違約,帝俄年代有,蘇聯年代都有,「但嗰時未有核武」。
8. 吹啤脹嘅係,俄羅斯嗰次違約,唔係美金債,係本幣(盧布)嘅債。你諗真啲,係完全違反常識的。國家有印鈔機(阿富汗就冇),盧布印幾多都有,點會違約?但,蘇維埃巨熊就係做啲你估唔到嘅嘢。
9. 認真的,當時都有研究,到底你如何可以將呢啲政治事件,列入你嘅quantitative model?答案係:好難。
10. 但冇話唔可以做,你留個大啲嘅margin of safety咪得,正如騰訊跌一半都大把人買。偏偏LTCM就係唔留margin of safety嘅。幾時都話,槓杆害人。不過人地冇所謂,OPM,其他人嘅錢。
11. 我可能週末Patreon講(但月尾冇乜新讀者訂,可能留返10月1先)
(*)順帶講埋,既然係Black–Scholes–Merton model,有時甚至叫做Black–Scholes,Black先生同Merton應該至少平起平坐(if not more),咁Black先生去咗邊?點解冇份攞諾貝爾獎?答案好簡單,我唔使查維基都知(因為我寫過幾次,但第一次都唔使查),因為佢死咗。諾貝爾獎只頒畀在生嘅人,所以日日跑長跑嘅村上春樹再等下先,佢老哥等得,仲有一大班吊鹽水嘅等緊。
(**)後來點解冇做quant 冇變火箭數學家?好簡單,我有自知之明。無數咁多大陸仔印度仔勁過我啦。
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EP4:為什麼不該拿學校教的東西來投資?只要學會這些就不用花大錢去上 _____ 了!(財管篇)
🎙️ Podcast 連結:https://gamma.soci.vip/
✍🏻 分析全文:https://gamma.to/notes/qnl4cB0ycao1f0VhjB28
🔖 財務管理課程中唯一重要的概念就是「未來的一塊錢跟今天的一塊錢不等價」。這樣的概念就被稱為 DCF (Discount Cash Flow,折現現金流)。在投資領域裡面,除了 DCF 沒有其他事情是真的有用的。
以下我們列出大學通常會教的課程內容,並來一個一個檢視這些概念與知識是否對投資人是有幫助的。
🔖 1) DCF (Discount Cash Flow,折現現金流):
這是在財金領域中唯一重要的觀念。如果你預期在 1 年後收到 $100,那這個未來的 $100 將會被折現因子所折現,來換算成現在的價值 (aka 現值 Present value)。打個比方,若折現率為 10%,那麼一年後的 $100,現在的價值為 $90.9 (= $100 / (1 + 10%))。那若情況改變,若是你預期將在 5 年後收到 $100,那麼在同樣 10% 的折現率下,這 5 年後的 $100 的現值變成 $62.1 (= $100 / (1 + 10%)^5 )。只要你了解這個概念,你就可以從商學院畢業了。
🔖 2) 財務報表分析:
這是一個經典的「分析完了,然後呢?」的分析,財金教授很熱情的在教這些給學生們,但這些教授甚至也不知道這些分析到底哪裡有用 (主筆:答案就是這些分析其實沒用)。這些分析最大的問題在於這種分析都是 backward looking (回顧過去的分析)。但投資最重要的是對未來的預測,你只會想要透過對於未來的預測而投資,而不是因為過去的財務數字如何去決定該如何投資。
🔖 3) 資產定價模型 (Capital Asset Pricing Model,CAPM):
CAPM 的概念很簡單,這個模型潛在的假設是認為整個市場 (S&P 500) 會上漲或下跌都是基於經濟的前景。而這樣的波動在一些經濟敏感度低的產業中較不明顯 (受總體經濟的影響較小),這種產業有像是健康照護、公用事業、民生必需品,但對於某些經濟敏感度高的產業中會更明顯,比如說工業、非必須消費品等等。而這個波動可以透過 beta 值來衡量,即衡量金融資產相對於對標指數的敏感度。
🔖 4) 加權平均資金成本 (Weighted Average Cost of Capital) (WACC is Whack lol):
現在你知道怎麼計算權益的資金成本了,你可以透過將權益的資金成本和債務的資金成本結合在一起,算出資本成本 (cost of capital)。比如說,如果 A 公司有 $50 的權益、$50 的債務,權益的資金成本為 4%,債務的資金成本為 2% (稅率為 20%),那麼資本成本將為 2.8% (4% * 50% + 2% * (1 - 20%) * 50%)。這就是 WACC 的概念。你可以使用 WACC,並透過未來的無槓桿自由現金流來算出企業價值。
🔖 5) 現代投資組合理論 (Modern Portfolio Theory):
現代投資組合理論的基本概念是,將沒有相關性或是有著負相關性的多個資產組合在一起,可以達到更高的風險調整後報酬。這也是基本上為何投資人需要將資產配置到債券中,儘管債券往往相對於股票有著更低的預期報酬。
🔖 6) 夏普比率 (Sharpe Ratio):
不像其他 Gamma 在這篇文章所提到的東西,Sharpe ratio 是真的在真實世界中最有用的概念。Sharpe ratio 就是在衡量風險調整後的報酬。
雖然 Sharpe ratio 公式對不是數學家的投資人來說可能會看起來有點複雜,但是你不需要去記這個公式。投資人唯一需要記得的是「越高的 Sharpe ratio 越好」,相對於追求更高的報酬,更高的 Sharpe ratio 可能才是更重要的目標。
🔖 7) 股利政策:
財金領域最重要的基本概念是,「透過股利支付或是買回在外流通股票來回饋給權益持有者,並不會改變權益持有者的價值」。
🔖 8 ) 實質選擇權 (Real Option):
一個新的投資項目因為很新,所以它可能會有非常多種不同的結果,因此要去估計該專案未來的現金流是很困難的。實質選擇權是一個替代的概念,與其去為一個專案做一堆假設很難預期的假設 (如:營收、獲利率和現金流等),實質選擇權鼓勵投資人去做出一些更難的假設,比如說結果的波動性、該專案的成長耐久性,來透過選擇權定價公式 (Black & Scholes) 去計算該專案的價值。
🔖 9) 效率市場假說 (Efficient Market Hypothesis):
效率市場假說是一種財務經濟學中的假說,該假說認為資產的價格會反應市場全部可得的資訊。這個概念直接的暗示就是「要想在風險調整的基礎下一直打敗市場是不可能的」,因為價格應該只會對新的資訊有所反應。
#各項細節於全文中
pricing model 在 貓的成長美股異想世界 Facebook 的最讚貼文
🌻另一個Zoom會議(第二次貼......有補上一些內容)
繼上次的年報導讀會議後, 讓我們再做另一個會議! 這次很榮幸邀請到一位對估值很有見解的股友前輩來帶大家了解估值(恩, 這次我會是主持人, 不是主講人).
主題: 估值(valuation)分享會(Cat: 這不算基礎的估值會議)
主講人: 小揚(from安泰價值投資)
https://www.facebook.com/antaiinvestment (此為小揚的粉絲頁)
參與者: 具基本估值能力. 若打算參加者, 請事先跟我(請私訊)提出一個關於估值的case study, 到時候可在會議中分享(最好是以投影片形式呈現, 這樣到時候好跟大家分享). 若有估值的問題, 也可以提出.
Case study可以是美股, 也可以是台股.
時間: 台灣時間07/10 (周六)晚間9點.
預計一個小時(不會像上次那樣冗長了😅): 前30分鐘由小揚做分享, 後30分鐘大家分享估值案例&提問
進行方式: 以Zoom進行(之後會私訊會議資訊給參與者)
🌻Morgan Stanley Mid-year Investor Outlook: A tricky transition
https://www.morganstanley.com/ideas/midyear-2021-global-markets-outlook
🌻在您投資生涯中, 有沒有一些觀念讓您受用很多?
下面這位投資名人的好觀念影響我很深. 他的意思是, 一般投資人, 只要能説出三個買一家公司的理由, 就很夠了. 這也迫使我, 每次在買股票時, 問自己對這家公司的了解有多少. 也會去衡量公司的優點與缺點在哪裡.
"It is vital (重要的) that you know what you own, that if I asked you on the street why you like a certain stock, you can give me three reasons. If you don't know how they make their money, who their key clients are and what they make if, then I will tell you that you are over your head and should not own individual stocks."
全文在此:
Jim Cramer: In Times Like This, Go for the Easy Money
Look at the stocks you own. Can you tell me why you've got them? If you can't answer the following three questions, then have a look at several I like right now.
We've endured the meme stock craziness, with all of its love for heavily shorted stocks. We have watched the collapse of bitcoin to levels viewed as shocking, even if they are still more than double where they were not that long ago. We've dealt with Fed officials making it clear that they are no longer on the side of the bulls or the bears. They are on the side of job growth, but are wary of inflation. We've seen the end of the rush to get vaccines, which means that millions of people are going to get the new COVID variant, because there is no natural immunity to it. We've watched as the hopes for an infrastructure bill have collapsed. We've endured shortages of everything from chips to plastic to imported goods and labor.
And we're still standing, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yep, we are in one of those halcyon moments, where the masks are off -- even if they shouldn't be -- and Americans are back doing what they do best: consume, spend, go out to eat and then consume and spend some more.
There are times in the stock market where the collective mindset is revealed. This is one of those times: Things are cool, it's not a big moment, there's no real news for a bit, it's the historically strong period and we can reach some conclusions about where we are.
When things are like this, it is important to remember that buyers like to revert to tried-and-true companies that thrive no matter what. These are companies that have an edge and are better at what they do than other companies.
You know that I am a great believer in index funds, that the average person doesn't have the time or the inclination to research individual stocks. It's a difficult barrier. I think you need to make time to read the quarterly report and listen to the conference call, to Google articles and, if possible, get some research about the companies you own. It is vital that you know what you own, that if I asked you on the street why you like a certain stock, you can give me three reasons. If you don't know how they make their money, who their key clients are and what they make if, then I will tell you that you are over your head and should not own individual stocks. I am reminded by this, because, once again, without a mask, I can be recognized and if I am not holding "Nvidia the Second," I can carry on a conversation.
I have had many in the last two weeks and when I have asked this litany of questions, I find myself at a loss as to why almost no one knew what they owned. But they thirsted for individual stocks, because they, like me, think things are better post pandemic. No, that's not a facetious comment. Many, many stocks did better with a stay-at-home economy. A huge number.
So what do I do? I revert to what others do when you are stumped about how to stay in touch with stocks, but want to do less homework. That means buying stocks that are accessible, not stocks like Unity (U) or Snowflake (SNOW) or Twilio (TWLO) or Okta (OKTA) .
I revert to normal businesses people know and I suggest they Google some articles, peruse the conference call, but, above all, like the company's products so you can buy more if it goes down.
Here's some that I have been telling people I like:
First is Ford (F) . I think the Ford lineup is amazing. The electric F-150 series will be incredible. I am eager to get a Maverick for my family, because it is a smaller pickup that will get the job done for the myriad little things I need to do with this farm I bought from that crazy bitcoin foray. I like the competitive edge of the CEO, who says he is going to bury Elon Musk when the Lightning comes out. I even think the Bronco is cool as all get out. Most important, though? I think the chip shortage is ending. My semiconductor friends are telling me the foundries are producing more feature-rich chips and that means Ford can pump out the trucks small business people love and need. Plus, the used car prices at last have plateaued, according to their most important pricing index. Halcyon times.
Second, Costco (COST) : The samples are coming back. Tell me you don't love the samples. You need things in bulk. You want low prices. You want to get all of the things that people don't think of with Costco, like insurance, hearing-aids -- hey, they are a fortune -- jewelry, things around the house. You go and you will buy far more than you first came for. My kind of store.
The kids love this American Eagle Outfitters (AEO) , which we just bought for my charitable trust, which you can follow along by joining the Action Alerts PLUS club. Jay Schottenstein, the CEO, came on "Mad Money" recently and it's clear that his Aerie model has real staying power: 26 consecutive quarters of double digit growth. No flash in the pan, that one. Number one brand in jeans for the 15 to 25 year old group. The best in the mall. How did I know this? I see the credit card bills.
I got up this morning to do my physical therapy. I have been doing it ever since I hurt my back in February. I have this really cool pair of sneakers that fit me perfectly and I love them, but I am fortunate enough to have a vacation house and I am always taking those shoes with me.
So I went on Amazon (AMZN) this morning and lo and behold I saw them for half price. I bought two pairs. Then I went over everything I have bought in the last year and got a bunch of those things. Then I bought a pair of binoculars, because mine were stolen. I paid half price.
Yep, Amazon's universal. I was talking to Alexa, while I was ordering, getting some new music on, asking questions. I saw that despite all of the Sturm und Drang of Amazon being late with things, all the delivery dates were within range. I didn't click on any ads, and I didn't need the speed of Web Services, but the whole thing reminded me about how special the darned company is. I don't care if it's ahead or behind plan for the moment. I would just buy some more when it goes down.
Finally, Apple (AAPL) . I think people who don't own Apple should look what they are holding at this very moment. Yes, right now. Or look at what's in your lap or on the table besides your fork. And then think about the bill you paid last night without knowing it. Think about what you bought in the App store yesterday. Think about what would happen if it would break or get stolen or, left in the Uber (UBER) , or heaven forbid, be dropped into the pool or in the, yes, toilet.
There, that's what you buy in halcyon times. Stocks of companies you know that if they go lower, because things get less halcyon, you are fine with it and buy more. If things go up, believe me, you will participate.
So accept the moment. Don't try for the hard money. Go for the easy kind. That's the best kind.
https://realmoney.thestreet.com/jim-cramer/jim-cramer--15692051
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Mitsubishi Motors Corporation ประกาศเปิดตัว All-New outlander โฉมใหม่ เจนเนอเรชั่นที่ 4 รุ่นปี 2022 รถครอสโอเวอร์รุ่น flagship ของบริษัท ผ่านทาง Amazon Livestream เป็นครั้งแรก โดยมาพร้อมดีไซน์ใหม่ คุณภาพระดับพรีเมี่ยม สมรรถนะที่เหนือชั้น และเทคโนโลยีที่ล้ำสมัย ที่คุณสามารถคาดหวังได้ จากรถยนต์ของ Mitsubishi พร้อมเริ่มจำหน่ายในตลาดอเมริกาเหนือ เป็นที่แรกในโลก ในราคาเริ่มต้น 25,795 เหรียญสหรัฐ หรือราว 773,000 บาท ในเดือนเมษายน ปี 2021 นี้ ก่อนที่จะมีการทำตลาดทั่วโลก หลังจากนั้น
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The flagship of the Mitsubishi Motors line, it is reimagined and reinvented in every way, and is the best-equipped, most thoughtfully engineered vehicle the company has ever developed. Outlander gears up for sale in North America first in April 2021, with other global markets to follow.
With a U.S. Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price starting at $25,7951, the all-new 2022 Mitsubishi Outlander delivers the equipment, quality and lasting value that Mitsubishi customers have come to expect of the brand. Full pricing and packaging details will be made available at a later date.
"Based on the product concept 'I-Fu-Do-Do,' which means authentic and majestic in Japanese, the all-new OUTLANDER has been crafted into a reliable SUV with significantly upgraded styling, road performance, and a high-quality feel to satisfy the needs of customers who want to expand their horizons and take on challenges of every kind," said Takao Kato, chief executive officer of MMC. "With the launch of the all-new OUTLANDER, we will first expand our sales in the North American market and then aim for global growth."
The Outlander was first launched in North America in 2002, and this new model is the fourth generation to be sold.
Styling debuts the brand's next generation Dynamic Shield front face and design language, with muscular fenders, bold proportions and available large-diameter 20-inch wheels. Inside, Outlander is a quiet and serene space, showcasing quality and convenience through class-above materials, seating for seven in the segment's only standard-equipment third-row, available 12.3-inch digital instrument cluster and 9-inch center screen, and also newly available wireless smartphone charging capability with Android Auto3 and wireless Apple CarPlay.4
The engineering underpinnings are also all-new. Partnered with a newly developed platform and 2.5L four-cylinder engine, Mitsubishi's rally-derived Super All-Wheel Control5 system provides unmatched confidence for drivers in all environments. The newly developed drive mode selector allows performance and grip to be tailored to the conditions through six distinct settings, increasing on-road and off-pavement performance. Even two-wheel drive models are fitted with the drive-mode selector, offering five distinct modes in this setup, to help drivers feel more confident in all driving conditions.
Standard equipment on the 2022 Outlander includes 11 airbags6, three rows of seats, myriad storage locations, USB-A and USB-C charge ports and 18-inch wheels.
Depending on trim level, the 2022 Outlander can be fitted with 20-inch wheels, Mitsubishi's MI-PILOT Assist driver assistance system with adaptive cruise control and lane-keep assist7, semi-aniline leather seating, integrated navigation using what3words technology, a windshield-display 10.8-inch full-color Head-Up Display (HUD), Mitsubishi's industry-leading Mitsubishi Connect smart-car system, and a 10-speaker BOSE® audio system.8
Mitsubishi Motors North America is in the midst of introducing a full showroom of redesigned, reengineered or all-new vehicles, and the 2022 Outlander is the culmination of that program. This much-anticipated vehicle is here, and the game-changing launch is well under way. The all-new 2022 Mitsubishi Outlander is set to break boundaries, reset expectations and demand attention.
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The sea bass and SV (Esbi) are motorcycles of the sports type that the sea bass is doing the manufacturing sales. Numerical models are being produced as a series model now.
SV400/S
SV400 was put on the market in 1998. Two V type of water-cooled four stroke 90 degrees cylinder engine is installed, and there are two kinds of SV400 of a naked model to whom it gives priority to SV400S and the town youth who is the half caul model to emphasize sports.
At first, SV400 was changed to a double disk in 2002 in 2000 SV400S though the nose-wheel brake was a single disc. S of the fixed price was 90,000 yen or more higher. It is a catalog fall of both in September, the production end and 2007 in December, 2006.
Bolte (Volty) is a motorcycle to which the sea bass was doing the
manufacturing sales.
Outline
Bolte was put on the market in 1994. It was a naked type of 250cc with the outlook on ..retro-style.. Haz, and a curve part took charge and Every Good Boy Deserves Favour took charge of the body design with a lot of features that were.
It got into the news as "Price busting of the motorcycle" because of pricing that was under 300,000 yen that greatly fell below the market price of 250cc at that time. It is possible to visit production though the minor change is continued from release to 2004 for ten years, and suiting demand enough though it might be called an unpopular car.
This class was popular among the woman in a diminutive body and weight from the thing that the taking turning is easy. Bolte was used instead of Cab in the post office in the region part probably because of ..very good durability and fuel cost in addition... It often sees as a vehicle of delivery service by motorcycles now.
Motorcycle CB400FOUR (Shebe Foix) that Honda Motor Co., Ltd. put on the market in 1997.
Outline of edit
A big body that adopted the spoke wheel before and behind the putting out muffler four that gave the chrome plating appeared as new naked sports that followed the image of not the reprint of dream CB400FOUR that was a great car before but dream CB750FOUR.
The cooling fin is added based on four water-cooled series cylinders of CB400SF and the engine is installed in a vertical feeling. The setting was assumed an inside low-speed valuing on the assumption of the use in daily life while maintaining 53 horsepower of 400cc class upper bound. As for the color, three colors of candy ocean green, Italian red, and a pure black were prepared.
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